Hope Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 Indeed! Well found 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Grey Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 I agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caroline Despanay Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 (edited) This is why you have female servants to take care of that sort of thing. Oops, I was posting this regarding the pic of Bev and the baby..... Edited April 8, 2019 by Caroline Despanay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hope Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 George is too chuffed to keep from interferring 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Grey Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 George is the perfect uncle... he'll spoil his nephew rotten, and he is also rich! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caroline Despanay Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Caroline wishes George was her uncle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Grey Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Even Henry wishes George was his uncle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davina Wellsley Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 I have this picture in my mind - for all of you that have seen the film "Gone With The Wind" - the scene where Rhett and Scarlet who are now married and have a baby daughter. Rhett has her sitting in front of him on his horse for an outing and all the Matron's upon the Street that he encounters he asks questions about raising a baby and he gets even one of them in his pocket and they proclaim how Wonderful a Father he is! (Rhett was actually carrying out his plan to better his own Reputation by involving these Ladies) "Uncle George" might take the cue and seek out those Matrons that would be helpful and sing his praises! Just imagine how that would up his standing in the the marriage market for Everyone would already know what a fine upstanding figure of a Man he is in raising said Nephew! So as a potential Husband for one of their daughters, nieces, cousins he's already passed muster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Hardwick III Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Heh. Yes he qualifies highly as an Uncle I agree 😄 But - e-e-e-er! What's this talk if marriage?! George is planning to find out if he can make his nephew his future heir! (I think the king might be able to swing such a thing.) It's be problem solved without any of the grief. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caroline Despanay Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Oh come on, marriage can't be that bad! Caroline was married once and that...........errrrrr, wait! Yeah, that did not work out well on second thought. On the plus side she is a merry widow now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Grey Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 George, marry an heiress. Then, after you get an heir, do the Caroline/Anne-Elizabeth shuffle. Problem solved 😜 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Hardwick III Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Heh, already tried to do that already remember. Besides, George doesnt need money (or women!) just an heir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Grey Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 There is precedent for your nephew to inherit lands and title, but both the King and House of Lords have to approve, I think, because he is the son of your sister. It was all too common for peers to die without heirs, so not unheard of. You will need to get on the good side of Lords, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Hardwick III Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Cool. And George has a lifetime to attempt it, so why not try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caroline Despanay Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Eh, trying to impress men then, will he? How boring! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne-Elisabeth Devereux Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Maybe this could be George's little nephew? It's an image from 'Reign,' so pretty much historically appropriate. What's Anne-Elisabeth doing with a baby? And why does she look so happy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hope Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Aw cute. & perhaps because she is going to give it back to the Chichester wetnurse a moment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caroline Despanay Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Awww, so cute! Now Caroline wants one....wait....well one to hold on occasion..........when it is not crying...........or wet..........or soiled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Grey Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Caroline Despanay said: Awww, so cute! Now Caroline wants one....wait....well one to hold on occasion..........when it is not crying...........or wet..........or soiled. LOL! Not one of your own then... 😜 Edited April 15, 2019 by Henry Grey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caroline Despanay Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 My heavens no! Are you daft? I have libertine parties to attend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Grey Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Yes, parties, many parties. I wonder how Henry would fare in one of those. Probably a total fish out of the water. Still, who knows? Attending one would be part of his courtly education, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caroline Despanay Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Oh you simply must, Caroline would love to meet Henry. He has at least one necessary qualification - he is male! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Grey Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, Caroline Despanay said: Oh you simply must, Caroline would love to meet Henry. He has at least one necessary qualification - he is male! LOL! We will see when, but definitely added to the bucket list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 I came across this in an old research file and thought it might interest some of you. Its about 1620-30 Time wise so in our Game inflation would have occured but not that much of a change. These, of course, are not the only possible prices for any given item, but they should give some idea of what was a typical or fair price. The "L" Symbol w/a line in the middle is for Pound "S" is for Shilling "D" is for Penny The English system was based upon the "Pound, Shilling, Pence" system. Twelve Pence made one Shilling and twenty Shillings made up one Pound. These values were constant and never varied in relation to each other. The exact value of other coins might vary however. Sovereigns, Nobles, Angels, Testoons and Royals all had values that fluctuated depending on their weight and purity at their most recent minting. I just used randon names of Peer's as examples. Obviously those Really Well Off can afford the Best of Everything! Rememnber too that almost everything we buy is on "Credit" which means at some point the bills have to get paid or perhaps the services of a Money-lender are being used? Clothing and Fabrics Canvas for Livery: 4d per yard Clothing for the Earl of Leicester: £563 for 7 doublets & 2 cloaks Broadcloth: £6 for 24 feet Good Shirt: £1 Pair of knitted stockings: 15s Courtier's breeches: £7 A good pair of boots: £4 - £·10 a pair Shoes for a child: 7d a pair Crimson satin: 3s a yard Beaver hat, edged in silver: £2 Pair of Valencia gloves: 10d Velvet: 34s a yard Spanish leather pumps: 1s6d A soldier's coat: 6s4d Major Outlays Annual household expenses for the Earl of Derby: £3,000 Cost of rebuilding an Estate: £60,000 Food and Drink A loaf of bread: 2d A quail: 1/2d Oysters: 4d per bushel 200 herrings: 3s A chicken: 1d Raisins: 3d per pound A goose: 4d Best beef: 3d per pound Best mutton: 11/2d per pound Sugar: 1s per pound Bottle of French Wine: 2s A tankard of Ale: 1/2d Cloves: 11s per pound Cinnamon: 10s6d per pound Ginger: 3s8d per pound Servant's Fines Missing prayer: 2d Cursing: 1d per oath Not making one's bed: 1d Cook finishing dinner late: 6d Missing a button on the Livery: 1d per button Housing Lodging in an Inn: 2d per week (with Laundry) A modest farm with an ancient lease: £4 - £5 per year A modest farm with a new lease: £50 - £100 per year Odds and Ends Tobacco: 12s 64s per pound A small, undecorated book: 8d A large, ornamented book: 10s or more A doctor's visit: 1 Mark Sea coal: 1s per 100 pounds A Nicholas Hilliard miniature: £40 Typical tip for a servant: 3/4d A pair of scissors: 6d A post horse from Dover to London: 3s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Incomes The following are some examples, which may be considered fairly typical, of what different sorts of people earned for their labors (or for the labors of others, in the case of the Gentry). These are not set in stone. Like today, two people doing the same job could have considerably different incomes, but these should prove illustrative of possible income levels The Nobility and the Gentry A Nobleman: £15,000 - £25,000 per annum John Manners, Baron Roos: £4,000 per annum (example) Country Gentleman: £50 - £150 per annum The Archbishop of Canterbury: £30,000 per annum Town Dwellers Successful Merchant: £100 - £25,000 per annum Skilled Laborer: 8d - 12d per day Carpenter: 5s per week Unskilled Laborer: 3d - 4d per day Coney Catcher (Con-Man): 14s in a very good day Servants Note: Servants incomes as they are listed here do not include tips, which could bring in more than regular wages. Manservant: 1 Mark per quarter (£2, 12s, 4d per annum) Groom: 2 or less per annum Maid: 5s - 10s per quarter Stable Boy: 10s per quarter Country Folk Country Parson: 20s per annum Field Worker: 2d - 3d per day Ploughman: 1s per week with board Shepherd: 6d per week with board Thatcher: 2s for 5 days work Note: A peasant's income is very difficult to estimate. Some poor cottars who paid their rents in kind might have an income around zero, while others might make as much as £20 or more per annum. Out of this, however would come rents, which might be anywhere from almost non-existent to almost the entirety of a peasant's cash income. Since he grew most of his own food however, he would seldom starve, even if he had almost no money. Soldiers Captain: 6s per day Lieutenant: 3s per day Ensign/Ancient: 1s6d per day Sergeant: 1s6d per day Drummer: 1s6d per day Common Soldier: 8d per day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caroline Despanay Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Interesting stuff, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hope Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Guys - meet Van Van - all the guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Grey Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Nice to meet you Van! Welcome to the position of living lawn mower! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defiance Posted June 5, 2019 Author Share Posted June 5, 2019 How cute! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hope Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Yeah he's super cute, and has really lovely shiny hooves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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