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  1. Cordelia Lucas

    Newcastle House, Tuesday 2 PM, Marriage Talks Part Two

    Pleased with herself and the way she had managed to 'control' this meeting Cordelia was inclined to be generous. "I see that you are already a step ahead of me Your Grace in Lady Margaret's further educations." "Well tis understandable after all when one daughter is soon to be a wife while the other is not yet contracted." "You might wish to keep an eye out for any signs of competion between them - Lady Frances is, after all, soon to be a Countess and has presumably already demenstrated her skill at learnings." "Lady Margaret as we have both seen is prone to too much of a strong nature and the desire to have her own way. Not that that is a bad thing for she should have a mind capable of 'thinking' and not total dependance upon her husband." "Do not hesitate Your Grace to pull your daughter down with authority if she shows sign of slipping into how she was at our first meeting." She smiled and nodded to another cup of tea but would not over-linger. The Duchess was showing signs that this meeting was now done. Plesentries would be exchanged and she would wait to see if the Duchess had any responses before she took her leave. (ooc: thank you!)
  2. Cordelia Lucas

    Newcastle House, Tuesday 2 PM, Marriage Talks Part Two

    She smiled across at the Duchess pleased that things were ending on this positive note. It could so easily have gone the other way. "A month is but a suggestion Your Grace. It can easily be changed. If you are fortunate in your investigations then let us agree to meet earlier." "Much depends upon Lady Margaret as well. But I think, now that she is aware that we are aware of her 'ideas', she will become more manageable going forward." "We have to take into account that she has learned things from those of her own sex - wrongly or rightly - and so it will be part of my task to ensure that she is better prepared and understands fully what will be expected of her.' "And you must also see that she receives education is areas that she is lacking ..... beyond that of Dance and sewing and musical instruments." "She needs must learn how to keep accounts and the managing of servants." "This is vital for she is young and easly taken advantage of by those employed by her husband - they will assume that she knows nothing and so cheat at every turn." "Let her learn by your side Your Grace. She will be an adpt pupil." She gave her thanks at the invitation extended. She would finish her tea and then take her leave. Another such appointment was upon the morrow and she needed to rearrange her notes based upon the conversation here.
  3. Cordelia Lucas

    Newcastle House, Tuesday 2 PM, Marriage Talks Part Two

    Cordelia smiled at Lady Margaret as she offered a curtsey then two before she took her leave. She answered the Duchess still smiling "Well Your Grace I think all that needs to be begun has been and now we shall move onwards to Saturday." "For now I have hopes for a pleasant hour or two and perhaps even some revelations - of which I shall pass onto you naturally." 'We had discussed the candidates and I think you should start whatever investigations are needed for those you wish to peer at. Tis far better to be well armed than to have to wait and suffer frustrations!" "I do no think we can progress further until all information is in hand. Shall we instead turn attention to your daughter herself?" "Saturday is but the first of many outings I hope and each time sees Lady Margaret more comfortable with my Company." "Shall we set a time to meet again - say in a months time?" "That will allow time for investigations and your daughter to warm herself to the idea of marriage." She would not linger much after the Duchess offered up her own replies.
  4. Cordelia Lucas

    Newcastle House, Tuesday 2 PM, Marriage Talks Part Two

    That she was quick to note her lack of a reverance and then added two made Cordelia smile a bit. It also spoke that her assumption about Lady Margaret was proving correct. "Excellent. Well catering to your needs is nothing and every girl who is headed to marriage should have the chance to show off somewhat - let those see what might be missed." She turned her gaze to the Duchess adding "I am glad that Your Grace agrees to this outing. Fresh air, one hopes, can clear the mind and allow for many things to be learned. I wonder what discoveries shall be made?" She smiled at the younger girl then sniffed at the bouquet. "How pretty it is. You are clever indeed. We shall have to make sure to find the right Gentleman who appreciates it."
  5. Cordelia Lucas

    Newcastle House, Tuesday 2 PM, Marriage Talks Part Two

    With an inward sigh Cordelia was relieved that the topic seemed to have been diverted, at least for the moment, by the arrival of Lady Margaret herself. She watched in some amusement as she was offered a bouquet accompanied by just as sweet a turn of phrase. That there was still some rebellion inside was made clear by the absence of a curtsey however small as accompaniment. In Cordelia's mind there was no exxcuse for bad manners and for Lady Margaret to not have given one led to that conclusion. well two can play at this Game and I am an old campaigner my sweet so let us see how long you can last "Why how charming! And such an honest confession as well!" She exchanged a look with the Duchess and then smiled at the daughter. "Her Grace and I were discussing many topics but we have put them aside and I have asked for permission to take you away for the Days are brighter and as I have observed you seem to have a great love for flowers." "An outing arranged to walk in the Palace Gardens to take in the beautifications of Nature - does it appeal to you?" "Tis understandable if you are surprised at my offering for no doubt you thought I may harbor some ill feelings." She smiled adding "I thought perhaps Saturday if the weather is good. I shall fetch you myself in my carriage and we shall go. Eleven of the clock." "it will give you an opportunity to wear something Spring-Like and to show off a bit to others'. There is no harm in that."
  6. Cordelia Lucas

    Newcastle House, Tuesday 2 PM, Marriage Talks Part Two

    Cordelia had not intention of arguing about anything yet she was becoming impatient at the way the others' thoughts were going. "You know as well as I that a 'boy' will do as he is told and once his Majority is reached he is no longer thought of as that. He will be a man who makes his own decisions yet stays within those guidelines taught to him." "Any of our sex has and will always be subjected to the whims of husbands be they good or bad. And Lady Margaret is no different. She must Obey her husband in all things and if she is as you say then she will not instigate." "You paint a picture of her married life based upon what - gossip and the few known cases of abusive marriages?" "An early death? Do you not think that tis rather dramatic? Why I would wager that even you and I have suffered at times and yet we are still standing." "I am glad to hear that Your Grace. I would doubt that they are capable of such things as you have painted." Cordelia looked back to where Lady Margaret was her eyes narrowing a bit in thought. "Yes. I think that is a good idea. The gardens there are plentiful and everything is in bloom." "Let us summon her and see what she has to say. Will Your Grace permit me to extend the invitation?" She took a sip of her now cold tea then set it back down. She gave nothing away as to her inner thoughts. This was gong to be a draining task. Between the Duchess and her fanciful thoughts and the daughter determined to have her way.
  7. Cordelia Lucas

    Newcastle House, Tuesday 2 PM, Marriage Talks Part Two

    Cordelia thought a few moments before she offer her rebuttals. "Worcester and Winchester as I said will have no issue with it. Many Noble families have done cradle contracts between their children with the daughtes at seven or eight sent to be educated and taught the runnings of the House by their mother-in-laws." "And why would you think that a son's objection would matter? They will do as told and it will come as no surprise that marriage talks are in process - each knows he must wed espically Charles as the Heir. If some objection arises then we must find the cause - perhaps there is some 'attachment' that is fruitless and if so then that must be talked about. Do not think that your daughter will suffer. She knows full well her Duty and if she does not then that needs must be addressed at the start." "I think they each have merits and should be seasoned out. And be shot-listed." "Rochester." She smiled a bit then. "Of course I was not serious Your Grace. He is a Peer and unwed so I must include him." "I think that is wise of you - to see him up close and in an Element that he is familiar with. Perhaps Chichester and Lady Margaret will find common interests. He is older yes but that could well be advantageous could it not? She is young amd malleable and he might well want to see his wife as HE would wish." "I do not mean that she would lose all her own charms - rather she would aquire the polish that befitted her Rank." "As to religion ... Well I can not speak on that." "It is a fine line is it not Your Grace? You wish to have your children suitably wed but the selections are limited so allowances have to be made." "I see no reason to think any more regarding Chatham. I think he is far too ambitious a man and when he weds he will look for the one that brings him the most. The Gains as it were." She paused to sip her tea. "Aylesford was to wed? Why was it broken off? Well they are if there is an impediment - some physical or mental infirmary or illness or the girl died. Which one I wonder ... This should be looked into. If the fault lie with the girl or her family then we can hardly discount him can we? She nodded in agreement regarding Herbert. "Since there is no way to predict what will occur or not it might be best to hold back." "So Lady Margaret will need to be done before years' end and then wed in the next. I do not think that is unrealistic. Once it is decided then His Grace must then step in - he will provide her dowry of course but he must ensure that her Jointure amount is fair and that her in-laws will not withould it if their son should die. As you know this is a cause of many a heart-ache and I would not wish to see a law suit tied up in the Courts. Espically if there are children involved." The Duchess then asked if Cordelia would be willing to spend some time alone with her daughter. That she clearly did not quite know how to deal with her daughter Cordelia already guessed at and she had also see first hand how clever Lady Margaret was. Did she believe the tears and confessions from previously? No! She knew that there was much still not on display but she was also curious. "Well. If it will help to ease your mind than of course I will." She leaned a bit forward in her chair making the space between them more intimate as she answered making the other feel that a closeness had been achieved. It was after all important to have the other be relaxed. "I shall take my time if I may? I shall not push for that is the surest way to not find out anything." "Perhaps an outing might be arranged ..." Her gaze went back to the outside and she smiled. "A nice garden or some like place. Where she can feel relaxed and less inclined to be impetitious." "What do you think?"
  8. Cordelia Lucas

    Newcastle House, Tuesday 2 PM, Marriage Talks Part Two

    With the servants return the paper was handed back and she took some time to go through it completely before she spoke. "My listings were done simply to act as a guide as it were and so I am happy that you have added to it." "Now ....." She turned more to face the Duchess and lowered the tone of her voice - not for fear of being overheard but to better set the tone that this was after all Business. "Shall we start from the top. I agree with Norfolks boys. Unfortunate. To tie a Cavendish to a Howard is not a bad thing after all. But let us leave that to the side." Worcester. Charles is seventeen the other a year younger. The heir is Charles and marriage contracts have been arranged in the cradle so I do not think the Marquess will debate that." "He will leave the negoations to his wife as all men do and will have his say once something is set in place." "Have you objections to the eldest? What do you know of him - is he like to follow his father in thought and manner? We must address anything that will apply to make the right choice." A pause to sip her tea and a chance to eye the other over the rim to judge her mood. "Winchester is the same. The eldest is sixteen so acceptable. He too must be looked at - sons follow fathers in general and I do not want to subject your daughter to ill treatmen beyond that which is normal." "Rochester. Such a marriage would be difficult for her. She has not the years or wisdoms to manage a Life on her own terms despite all that you have taught her. Yet .... being a Countess and then a wealthy widow (if said rumours are indeed true) would that be bad?" "Bradford I do not know. You will have to send someone to investigate discreetly. His Family and financial position to begin with. Who is he related to amongst the other Peers?" She skipped Danby for obvious reasons. "Chichester. My objection is age related. And whatever in his Past that makes you hesitate well what Gentleman will NOT have that? He appears to be well liked and I have heard he is to have an exhibition in a few days." "He must be doing something well for that to be. Well known about Court. I do not think you should rule him out." "Chatham. I think your daughter will be easily put off by his appearance. A Libertine?" A small chuckle. "He is far from the only Gentleman to be such and not a real reason for dismissal." "But he is, how shall I put it, rough and pirate like and even tho your daughter has displayed spirit I do not think he wants anything but a wife who will be submissive." "Aylesford. Well again a man into a brothel is not surprising. If he makes a habit of it that is different. What was this scandal?" "Again making her a Countess is good. She will not be placed higher than Lady Frances - which we must avoid doing." "Avon. For the same reasons." "Herbert. Well a double Countess is aiming high. And do you wish to have your daughter in Limbo waiting to see if there is a child or have her married? If so then we should set his aside as well." "Whitehurst. A widower. He is, if is recall, Militarily inclined and I wonder if he would subject his wife to that type of thinking? A 'regimanated' lifestyle so tightly controlled is not how I want her to be." "Avalon. I know little. He is heir to an Earl so he too should be looked into." She looked up then adding "I do not see the need to gow lower Your Grace. Not that a Baron who has good connections and Family ties should not be considered." "Kingston has Buckingham in whatever form it is so that places him a unique position. Plus he also is near to the King." With a sigh she set the paper on the table arching her back a little to shift in her chair. "There is much to discuss. I must ask - how long of a time frame is this to be? In other words do you want her married before the year is up or contacted for the New Year?" "That determines how we proceed." "And of course we must figure Lady Margaret back into the equations once things are narrowed. She must have a voice but not the defining one. That rests with her Parents." "I do not condone the forcing of marriages on daughters."
  9. Cordelia Lucas

    Newcastle House, Tuesday 2 PM, Marriage Talks Part Two

    Cordelia nodded her head in agreement. "A new face does not rule out a possibility. And as to benefits, well, that too must be known." As she waited for the servant to return her gaze drifted to where Lady Margaret was. "Lady Margaret has many sides - I would not have thought her to have such an interest in plants. She has some knowledge then?" "That might be useful in the process - a prospective husband might well appreciate a wife that has the skills needed to nurse him or their children. Or any on his Estate for that matter." "It is, I am afraid, not such a skill as it was in times past. There are no battles or keeps to protect nowadays."
  10. Cordelia Lucas

    Lucas Easter Dinner

    "Well that would make the most sense would it not?" This said in response to his suggestion of Fleet Street. "Well there are those that will work for no coin with the intent of gaining, thru flattery, a closer relationship thus making them ask for money later and even more after that." "I do not want you to be seen as a mark so you best be wise about whatever you do." "Do nothing that will dimisnish you in the Duke's eyes. If this is managed well than I can see no reason for you to not be taken up by His Grace in some manner." "And possibly even a wife might come out of it. Of not in the direct line naturally but there are several very good branches much like ours." "And John - I shall always be Proud of You. Do not doubt that." Here another stiffled yawn. She shook her head a bit blinking several times. "I am suddenly sleepy. I think I must to my bed. We shall talk more on this." "And you will tell me what you decide to do - do not surprise me please." She wondered rather muddledly if he would kiss her cheek as he left ......
  11. Cordelia Lucas

    Newcastle House, Tuesday 2 PM, Marriage Talks Part Two

    oh dear how very tiresome ..... She gave a small nod and smiled at the complement for it was TRUE. "Very well then. Let us proceed. You have I shall presume looked over the list's I left with you last time? I noted all the Peers and who has eligible sons excluding heirs, naturally." "Shall we go over it just the two of us - I see no need to involve Lady Margaret at this stage. Once you have narrowed it down and any information that is lacking found perhaps then." She was all business. In manner and speech yet the Duchess would find it hard to take offense as it was rather sweetened in the delivery. "It is important to understand just what your expectations are versus what is Available."
  12. Cordelia Lucas

    Newcastle House, Tuesday 2 PM, Marriage Talks Part Two

    Gaining admittance she was led out onto the Garden wnere she could see her Hostess sitting inside a pretty gazebo. "Your Grace." She said adding a small curtsey. "How full of Spring you look." She paid a complement in return. She saw that Lady Margaret was also present but otherwise occupied as she took the offered seat. "Well as to that Your Grace I must defed to your own knowledge." "But in fairness this is not the easiset of conversations to have. I do hope that her punnishment was not too drastic for that might well put her off the notion entirely." "Shall we follow an agenda today or ...." She asked as it was best to know the direction from the start as that made her own input better applied.
  13. She arrived at the appointed hour glad that the Sun was out. Looking very Spring like in an apple green brocade gown with cream lace and wearing her pearls she was comfortable in her appearance. Her driver was sent to announce her and then he quickly returned to hand her out of the carriage and see her up to the door. (placeholder for the Duchess of Newcastle)
  14. Cordelia Lucas

    Lucas Easter Dinner

    "Please." She indicated her empty glass waiting till it was full then reaching for it. Sherry mixed with the mulled wine would soon have her growing sleepy! "Good. I am glad that you are being sensible John. This is a great undertaking and I shall be very Proud to see you win praise from the Duke." "But you must not over-tire yourself either. Perhaps you might emply an assistant? I am sure there must be someone who is willing to work for some small salary ..... you must not ask for it without payment in return." "You are a Gentleman after all." "And time away from those 'friends' might benefit. You must think of your Future - and if you remain in the Duke's good graces who is to say what wonderous things might come of it." She was in that speaking a truth. She wanted her son to toughen up and begin to take his responsibilities seriously. A Baronet was nothing to laugh at and if one had connections than perhaps a Barony was reachable. She stiffled a small yawn.
  15. Cordelia Lucas

    Lucas Easter Dinner

    She nooded at his understanding. "That is very smart of you. Yes a letter will be fine. And you should be patient in return - His Grace I am sure is a busy man so a reply might take time." "As to the other idea .... to be honest I am not sure if that would be favorable by all. I mean what if some have no wish to contribute? There are things unknown between all members in a Family after all." "As example - a mother might be kind to all her children but one thinks the opposite and so is unfeeling back. But the other siblings have no idea. The same could be said for the late Duke and his children too." "And the Duke might not like anyone - even kin - to put forth such a tabloid of tales." "And would that be too much work for you? Even I were to help you would still be doing most everything." "Can you not begin with this idea for a 'trubute' first - after all the present Duke takes center in that. Then if he finds favor in it you could suggest the second idea." She had no intention of helping in this but she also wanted peace in her house so if it meant a soft stroke or two she'd do it.
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